tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post2360201479041744138..comments2023-09-24T04:57:04.216-07:00Comments on Backsass: Powerful and Obnoxious Odor of Mendacity...Connie Wardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07275270830868170850noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-9916706786934113332013-08-27T21:10:11.095-07:002013-08-27T21:10:11.095-07:00And a little more salt to the wound:
"...in...And a little more salt to the wound:<br /><br /><br />"...in short, the decision TO SECEDE from the British Empire..."<br /><br />- Pulitzer Prize Historian Joesph Ellis<br /><br /><br />Want more?Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-22195700075440150632013-08-27T20:13:02.976-07:002013-08-27T20:13:02.976-07:00Robbie my boy, every vacuous, meaningless, vapid, ...Robbie my boy, every vacuous, meaningless, vapid, and anfractuous "argument" you have relied on was crushed, and you, sadly, are now reduced to hysterical, wild-eyed ranting, and outright begging. The idea that a myopic 25 year old student has the unmitigated gall to announce his expertise and judgement is to be preferred over men of infinitely more ability, expertise, and experience is riotously funny. Let's see now, on a question of the law, on whose expertise shall I rely, Judge Napolitano or Rob Baker. Judge Napolitano, of course, was educated at Princeton, and Notre Dame; he was also a Superior Court Judge, and is an accomplished author. Rob Baker is a student at "North Georgia University" ( which I thought was a trade school). Gimme a flipping break. And while Rob is a student hoping someday to earn his Masters, Jason Kuznicki holds a Phd from Johns Hopkins. Is, uh, that a "credentialed historian" Robbie boy? Because Mr. Kuznicki calls the colonial separation from the British Empire a " SECESSION". But you know better. Again, gimme a flipping break. And on and on.<br /><br />Lastly, Robbie boy, you seem positively beside yourself that I would dare to answer your insults with insults of my own. Count on it buddy boy. So really, enough of your whining, bed-wetting, and thumb- sucking. What next, you gonna tell the teacher?<br /><br />PS- the profile picture you use? Lose it. No kidding, you look like a penis with ears.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Let's face facts Robbie boy, you angrily lashed out with foolish and meaningless criticisms<br />Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-36073223438868916712013-08-27T19:29:48.720-07:002013-08-27T19:29:48.720-07:00Austin/Caldwell/Ryan/Clarissa/ Jennifer Cotton/ Re...Austin/Caldwell/Ryan/Clarissa/ Jennifer Cotton/ Reed (whoever you are) <br /><br /><br />1. You cannot define historical secession in the same way you would today. The correct schema and context has to be applied. Brooks already explained this to you, but you apparently you have trouble reading.<br /><br />2. Oh, well I guess that settles it. A pro southern newspaper account in Great Britain during the Civil War is definitely evidence that the American Revolution was a secession event.....not. <br /><br />Finally, I'm not going to engage in your ignorance anymore. You have been checked at every obscene point. You've continued to troll and you've done all this under a FAKE USERNAME. When you were given directions in order for your comments to be approved, you did as predicted and lashed out. You came hear and claimed victory, a moral one implied. And, you did just as Andy Hall said you would, you sent me a personal email full of nothing but insults calling me a coward. Interesting words coming from someone on their Ipad in Virginia hiding behind a computer and fake usernames. You can take your blind ignorance and trolling somewhere else. <br /><br />But to further show how ignorant you are before I leave, let's look at these posted sources from which you claim a victory.<br /><br />You quoted a pro-secession article from the Civil War era...not the Revolutionary era. In this particular article, they are justifying secession in 1860-61, not during the American Revolution. Not very credible in terms of defining the American Revolution as secession. <br /><br />John Graham is not considered, by any means, a temporary 'scholar.' His published works come from Pelican Publishing, which is pretty much the laughing stock of academia for their "Lost Cause" agenda and shoddy research. <br /><br />You are basically asserting, by using all pro-southern sources,(which outright denies objectivity) that Civil War secession is comparable to the American Revolution. You sir are an epic fail. You are doing all this, without once, quoting a Founder asserting this. You know, the guys that defined the Revolution. Your one attempt ended in such a pathetic failure, that I'm actually excited to see if you'll try again. But then again, I'm exhausted from you utter lack of intelligence. <br /><br />Hope you've enjoyed the show Connie. I think I'll unsubscribe from this thread. Though on a personal note Connie, I am curious why you accuse Corey Meyer of alter egos all the time, but let this one slide. Of course, maybe I'm over analyzing; you could just not know, or have just been approving comments without reading them. <br /><br /><br />I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-38295667087527016152013-08-27T14:27:10.678-07:002013-08-27T14:27:10.678-07:00Legally withdraw? Is that your new definition of s...Legally withdraw? Is that your new definition of secession? In other words, what the Confederates did was legal, and accordingly, Lincoln prosecuted a lawless war of conquest and aggression. Your old definition, you may recall, stated that the seceding entity must have entered the organization from which it was withdrawing by agreement. I, of course, was delighted to observe that that is precisely how the colonies entered the British Empire, and reminded you of the Colonial Charters, of which you had never heard. You can't seem to get it right, huh little guy?<br /><br />Now then, and this might sting a little, but I'm gonna pour just a little more salt in you wound. This is from a BRITISH Magazine, circa 1860:<br /><br /><br />"...with what presence of fairness...can you Americans object to the secession of the Southern States when your nation was founded ON SECESSION from the British Empire..."<br /><br />Sorry if that stung a little, but there's more. You see, little fella, "secession" is not a historical concept, it is a political and legal concept. Therefore, little guy, a Superior Court Judge, a Law Professor, newspaper Editors, magazine Editors, Research Scholars, and United States Congressman have a perfect right to define "secession", and far more so than some silly uninformed student with a mindless agenda to hawk.<br /><br /><br />PS- Can' silence me here buddy boy. Now, are you going to be a good little fella, and concede the obvious, or are you going to continue to troll? <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-33853681040288232792013-08-27T11:57:35.643-07:002013-08-27T11:57:35.643-07:00Hey Rob, just a little more salt to the wound. Thi...Hey Rob, just a little more salt to the wound. This time I'll start with a couple of editorials from the New York Tribune:<br /><br />"...we have repeatedly said and we once more insist, that the great principles embodied by Jefferson in the Declaration of Indepence...are sound and just...if it justified the SECESSION FROM THE BRITISH EMPIRE..."<br /><br />And from a contemporary legal scholar:<br /><br />"...SECESSION occurred only a decade later...inducing Rhode Island, Virginia, and other colonies of England in North America to WITHDRAW FROM THE BRITISH EMPIRE..."<br /><br />-John Remington Graham<br /><br /><br />How many more ya want?Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-5470508405119248102013-08-27T08:43:35.533-07:002013-08-27T08:43:35.533-07:00Hey Austin/Caldwell...
I recently learned you al...Hey Austin/Caldwell...<br /><br /><br />I recently learned you also go by Clarissa, Reed, and Jennifer Cotton. Any more aliases we should know about? Why are you so scared to post your real name? Trollers gonna troll I guess. I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-23169866415459403732013-08-27T08:24:52.087-07:002013-08-27T08:24:52.087-07:001.) You mean after the declared Independence from ...1.) You mean after the declared Independence from Great Britain after armed revolt. Additionally you are wrong. Britain dealt with numerous problems. For starters, people became dissatisfied with parliament, an Association movement began seeking male suffrage. This culminated in the Gordon Riots. In short, Britain had to rebuild, and expand, which they did. This is why the period after the Revolution is known as Britain's "second empire". <br /><br />2.) If you are right, then why did the founders not refer to the event as secession? Why was it only after, that some of those same founders, then talked about secession among the North and the South?<br /><br />3.) Never said they were not. Irrelevant point. <br /><br />4.) Please cite those sources. <br /><br />I noticed you abandoned that Jefferson argument....good. I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-70343352802924713122013-08-27T08:17:54.146-07:002013-08-27T08:17:54.146-07:00Austin, you are Caldwell. There is a thing called ...Austin, you are Caldwell. There is a thing called an IP address. You actually referenced yourself earlier, giving the same answer that you just did below. But when you look on Simpson's page, you are Caldwell. <br /><br />Again, your definition does not matter since the founders did not refer to the act as one of secession, nor were they in a position to legally withdraw. <br /><br />You are not posting any scholars, but people with a crude interpretation of history. <br /><br />Just because the word was around, does not mean it is the correct description of the event. <br /><br />Please cite that plethora of American scholars that do (note, scholars does not include the Cato Institute [ a self described political think tank ], politicians or TV personalities.)I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-22581303375614582282013-08-27T08:14:11.534-07:002013-08-27T08:14:11.534-07:00You have an odd way of "blocking people"...You have an odd way of "blocking people" Dav. Usually when one does that, they don't refer to them on their blog, say comments directly to them, or email them from behind a firewall. Thanks for playing. I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-15243378042592452012013-08-27T07:29:28.321-07:002013-08-27T07:29:28.321-07:00Just a couple more things:
1. After the American ...Just a couple more things:<br /><br />1. After the American Colonies seceded from the British Empire, the British Constitutional Monarchy happily remained one of the most powerful and sophisticated civil societies in the world. The King remained on the throne, and the Realm continued its existence.All the colonies did was withdraw from the Empire. Nothing else. <br /><br />2. "To secede" only means to withdraw from an <br />organization. A secession may be legal or illegal, violent or peaceful. A secession be conducted by equals or <br />subordinates. The only criteria is that of withdrawing. <br />Period.<br /><br />3. As evidenced by Jefferson himself, the terms "secede" and "secession" were in use long before the <br />Confederates seceded. <br /><br />4. A multitude of scholars, historians, lawyers, and politicians have commonly referred to the American Revolution as a secession.<br /><br /><br />Typically, that would about do it, but in the upside down jabberwocky world of Lincolnite Unionists, ya just never<br /> know.<br /><br /><br />an act of secession. <br />Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-40383938942008162132013-08-27T07:07:52.871-07:002013-08-27T07:07:52.871-07:00Robbie,
Still trying to square the circle? Here ar...Robbie,<br />Still trying to square the circle? Here are a few more:<br /><br />"... This country was born through SECESSION"<br />- U.S.Congressman, and U. S. Pressidential Candidate Ron Paul<br /><br />"...our country itself began as a SECESSION..."<br />-CATO Research Fellow Jason Kuznicki<br /><br />"..when we were colonists, and fought a war against the king and Parliament,so that we could SECEDE from the British Empire..."<br />- Former New Jersey Superior Court Judge Andrew Napolitano<br /><br /><br />How many more ya want?<br /><br />PS- I read the Caldwell thread. You are getting trashed. And I do mean trashed.<br /><br />PPS- Can't silence me here pal.<br />Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-81835298739783052162013-08-27T06:10:18.613-07:002013-08-27T06:10:18.613-07:00Dear Abby:
It seems I have a cyber stalker, for Id...Dear Abby:<br />It seems I have a cyber stalker, for Identification we shall call the stalker Roberta.<br />A while back we chatted on line,( mostly argued), I grew weary of the endless banter and decided to move on. Neither one of us is going to change our views so I could see no point in further communications.<br />I thought Roberta would take the hint when I blocked the incoming E-Mails. Nope!<br />Then I blocked Roberta from my Face Book page. No dice!<br />I have a blog that deals with history, Roberta has been to it close to 180 times. Apparently Roberta is much more interested in what I have to say than I am in what Roberta has to say.<br />I have gone as far as rejecting all comments that Roberta sends me.<br />Now Roberta follows me to other blog sites and tries to get me to argue.<br />My oh my, what can I do? I’m weary of the unwanted attention, and feel that Roberta has an unhealthy fixation on me. How can I rid myself of this cyber stalker, who craves my attention?<br />Dav Tatum<br />David Tatum Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558472066496171848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-77467288412305718032013-08-27T04:53:41.631-07:002013-08-27T04:53:41.631-07:00To add a couple of things,
1.) Jefferson said th...To add a couple of things, <br /><br />1.) Jefferson said these things BEFORE the Declaration of Independence. <br /><br />2.) Your statements, under the name "Cladwell" on Brooks's page, are confusing and circular. You were checked at every point but kept thrusting headlong into the falsehood. <br /><br />3.) After checking my IP address, I now see you are the same person. So you are making the same arguments twice on two different pages, under two different names? Wrongly I might add. I also explained to you (twice now on my page and once on here) that your "evidence" as you call it, is wrong. <br /><br />I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-13358054574625081742013-08-27T04:15:56.428-07:002013-08-27T04:15:56.428-07:00Austin I am going to ignore everything you have sa...Austin I am going to ignore everything you have said to concentrate on one thing. I am also wondering if you are friends with Caldwell since you two are making the same arguments at roughly the same time. <br /><br /><em>"...such a SECESSION would weaken us...</em> (your emphasis)<br /><br />This is what Historians call, "taking a quote out of context" or simply "cherry picking." The full quote, not in the David Barton style is this: <br /><br /><em>That the resolution entered into by this house on the 15th of May for suppressing the exercise of all powers derived from the crown, had shown, by the <b>ferment into which it had thrown these middle colonies,</b> that they had not yet accommodated their minds to a separation from the mother country:<br /><br />That some of them had expressly forbidden their delegates to consent to such a declaration, and others had given no instructions, & consequently no powers to give such consent:<br /><br />That if the delegates of any particular colony had no power to declare such colony independent, certain they were the others could not declare it for them; the colonies being as yet perfectly independent of each other:<br /><br />That the assembly of Pennsylvania was now sitting above stairs, their convention would sit within a few days, the convention of New York was now sitting, & those of the Jerseys & Delaware counties would meet on the Monday following, & it was probable these bodies would take up the question of Independence & would declare to their delegates the voice of their state:<br /><br />That if such a declaration should now be agreed to, <b>these delegates(of the middle colonies) must retire(from the Congress) & possibly their colonies might secede from the Union (Union of Colonies:</b> (My notes, my emphasis)<br /><br />That such a secession would weaken us more than could be compensated by any foreign alliance:<br /><br />That in the event of such a <b>division,(those colonies leaving the 'union')</b> foreign powers would either refuse to join themselves to our fortunes, or, having us so much in their power as that desperate declaration would place us, they would insist on terms proportionably[sic] more hard and prejudicial:</em> (my emphasis)(Jefferson's account of the Declaration)<br /><br />Jefferson was not talking about "secession" from Great Britain, Jefferson was talking about the possible secession of the middle colonies from the 'Union,' as he termed it. The 'Union' simply being the union of the colonies. But hey don't take my word for it, you can find the exact same thing on page 82 of Revolutionary Negotiations: Indians, Empires and Diplomats in the Founding of America. (it's on Google books)<br /><br />I do admire Jefferson's words, but unlike you, I can actually read them past a random line out of context.I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-54605175862808507412013-08-26T18:57:46.257-07:002013-08-26T18:57:46.257-07:00Robbie, defeating your empty assertions, worthless...Robbie, defeating your empty assertions, worthless scholarship, and useless arguments is done with so little effort, it's lmost criminal So let's begin, shally we?<br />Now then, you emphatically and truculently maintain that the American colonies did not "secede" from the British Empire. And in defense of this groundless and fatuous absurdity, you rely on an obscure, snarky, mean-spirited, irrelevant little academician from Arizona. And to contradict you both, I have, well I guess I will just have to rely on Thomas Jefferson. Here is what Jefferson said after the Declaration of Independence was issued:<br /><br /><br />"...such a SECESSION would weaken us..."<br /><br /><br />Boo ya!<br /><br /><br />Now what pathetic little retort do you have. If you are going to try and argue that "secession" had a different meaning in the 18th century, don't bother; Simpson tried that and I immediately provided him with a link to an 18th century dictionary which had the same definition then as now ( then, like you, he suppressed any further commentary). By the way, in an earlier thread, you waxed sentimental about how you were in "awe" of Jefferson's language in the DoI, so this is especially satisfying. Good grief, this like shooting fish in a barrelAustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-72023391612476255132013-08-26T17:02:54.538-07:002013-08-26T17:02:54.538-07:00No you didn't Dav. One look at your posts show...No you didn't Dav. One look at your posts shows that you run out and run back in the hole. If you want to come out of your comfort zone, then actually engage in discourse on someone else's blog than one of your pals. Until then, all puppy with no bite. I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-55393081640433186812013-08-26T15:15:48.360-07:002013-08-26T15:15:48.360-07:00Rob, as is your style you have changed horse's...Rob, as is your style you have changed horse's in the middle of the stream so that you can attempt a long drawn out debate.<br />You started out by saying I never come out of my comfort zone, I proved you wrong!<br />So you changed direction and say now my comments were too short.<br />Long drawn out debates are your thing not mine, I say what I think needs to be said, and move on.<br /><br />Connie and I also have different styles, she will write "Gone with the wind" in full text, I will write it in "Readers Digest" format.<br /><br />That being said, I wish you a Good Day ! And you are now returned to my "ZERO LIST"David Tatum Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558472066496171848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-43658584106917148522013-08-26T14:47:53.325-07:002013-08-26T14:47:53.325-07:00Having fun yet Connie? Having fun yet Connie? I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-87713095197470066172013-08-26T14:47:23.830-07:002013-08-26T14:47:23.830-07:00Uh, no.
You were done with the thread for severa...Uh, no. <br /><br />You were done with the thread for several reasons: you blatantly ignored various facts in order to push your own agenda; you began to develop a straw man argument; and your argument was circular. So yea, you are done on that thread. The conversation was remaining circular as long as you stood by the same rehashed stances seen time and time again. So what is the point of continuing rather than for the point of being argumentative? Hence, the troll categorization. <br /><br />I'm not silencing you, it's too much fun watching you post erroneous statements. The reason my arguments are "predictable" is because they are documented,backed by historical evidence, and run linear to modern scholarship. Where is your evidence to back up your arguments? My favorite argument of yours is featured in part 3. <br /><br />As far as the colonies, your points are another exhaustive attempt to create a straw man argument. Good luck finding where I have ever said, "the American Colonies were not part of the British Empire.." Though I do invite you to try. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br />I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-24311831883564381782013-08-26T13:19:05.398-07:002013-08-26T13:19:05.398-07:00Oh Rob gimme a break, huh? You explicitly said tha...Oh Rob gimme a break, huh? You explicitly said that I was done in the thread, go read it yourself. As to your credibility, you're the same guy who titles a thread "Stupid things people say..." and then has the audacity to accuse someone else of "trolling". Too rich. And as for your lame, predictable "arguments", wailing slavery 448 times and foolishly asserting that the American Colonies were not part of the British Empire won't cut it. Unless, of course, it is your blog and you can distort and falsify the discussion.<br /><br />Can't silence me here buddy boy.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-44847820691345125582013-08-26T12:08:40.017-07:002013-08-26T12:08:40.017-07:00Dav,
I've been more than fair with you over ...Dav, <br /><br />I've been more than fair with you over the years. I've agreed when I felt you right, gave credit where credit is due (to other people not just you) and disagreed when necessary. Despite this, you decide to make obscene posts about me, then block any retort, and send me private emails, while blocking all retorts. I noticed your comments on those blogs were one shot statements, then nothing else. You don't come out of your comfort zone Dav, you come out to say a few choice words and then run away. You don't engage in the context of the post, or question evidence. I have more respect for Connie Chastain in that regard than I do for you, and God knows that's saying a lot. (Connie will most likely agree with that sentiment)I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-65806749149448645612013-08-26T12:03:48.930-07:002013-08-26T12:03:48.930-07:00I'm sorry if you can't read what you write...I'm sorry if you can't read what you write Austin. It would seem you have a very liberal definition of "nose bloodied," since you gave the same rehashed comments seen time and time again. <br /><br /> The thread is still open by the way. And make sure you check out part 3! ;)I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-59732530951530663362013-08-26T06:03:44.477-07:002013-08-26T06:03:44.477-07:00Typical sniveling !
First he insinuates I don'...Typical sniveling !<br />First he insinuates I don't come out of my comfort zone, <br />"When exactly has he come out of his "comfort zone?" At least Connie ventures out from time to time."<br />Then when I show him 2 recent ventures, he snivels,and makes a crude comment.<br /> Is it any wonder why I reject all the comments he sends to my blog?David Tatum Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558472066496171848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-81053722052598351062013-08-25T20:33:53.454-07:002013-08-25T20:33:53.454-07:00Yeah, this from a guy like Baker, who, when he get...Yeah, this from a guy like Baker, who, when he gets his nose badly bloodied on his own blog, pusillanimously takes a parting cheap shot, then shuts the thread down.<br /><br />PS- Sorry Robbie, this ain't your blog, and this will be posted. 😃Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238454675824624117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4211529354680229185.post-85717611518339345392013-08-25T19:39:44.095-07:002013-08-25T19:39:44.095-07:00And then ran away back home Dav. And then ran away back home Dav. I don't knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14366329984852561117noreply@blogger.com