I live across from the museum and am sick and tired of them clogging the sidewalk and having to duck under those flags when walking by. It’s like a gauntlet of hate. They are absolutely intimidating to many people I see it every day it is not just me. Also sick of hearing people shout obscenities at them as they drive by!
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J-- A-- S-- on October 31, 2014 at 10:08 am said:
When you post without using you name I question your veracity. If what your are saying is true then please provide proof i.e. camera footage of them harassing you or anyone else.’They are absolutely intimidating to many people I see it every day it is not just me” How so and can you name the other injured parties? Do they shake the flags in your face and shout obscenities at you? If so and you have positive proof I will also denounce them.But if you are just making false accusation then there is something wrong between your ears.
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Andy Hall on November 1, 2014 at 11:22 am said:
The Virginia Flaggers actively encourage drivers to honk their horns as a show of support — they even put out printed signs that say so. That in itself is pretty a**hole-ish, to expose the VMfA’s neighbors to that, week in and week out, for years. Will you denounce that? Of course you won’t.
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J-- A-- S-- on November 1, 2014 at 1:05 pm said:
That Mr. Hall is were you are wrong if people are passing by and honking their horns and the flaggers are encouraging that then yes I do condemn them for that and they should stop asking people to honk their horns. Do you have evidence of constant honking? Why didn’t you condemn Goad for playing load rap music (That in itself is pretty a**hole-ish, to expose the VMfA’s neighbors to that, week in and week) was it not? For my part I am going to contact VA Flaggers to get their side.
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Andy Hall on November 1, 2014 at 2:08 pm said:
What do you mean, “if they are encouraging that?” You don’t know?
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J-- A-- S-- on November 1, 2014 at 2:42 pm said:
If I did I would not have asked the question.
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Andy Hall on November 1, 2014 at 3:55 pm said:
It would be a good idea to find out. It’s not difficult to confirm that, in fact, they do encourage passers-by to honk in support.
As for Goad, yeah, that’s pretty annoying. But the Flaggers’ boorishness is not really mitigated by someone else coming along later and doing the same thing.
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J-- A-- S-- on November 3, 2014 at 12:40 pm said:
Mr Hall I talked to the flaggers and they assured me that they were not having problems with the neighborhood. If people drive by and honk their horns so much as to be a nuisance then the flaggers must have a lot of support.
“As for Goad, yeah, that’s pretty annoying. But the Flaggers’ boorishness is not really mitigated by someone else coming along later and doing the same thing.”
So two wrongs make a right?
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Andy Hall on November 3, 2014 at 1:10 pm said:
“I talked to the flaggers and they assured me that they were not having problems with the neighborhood.”
I’m sure they did.
“So two wrongs make a right?”
No, they don’t. But you were the one who brought up the subject of Goad’s loud music.
And I will say this for Goad — at least he lives in the neighborhood. I’m not sure any of the prominent Flaggers do.
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Some observations on the above exchange. A Neighbor never answered this: "How so and can you name the other injured parties? Do they shake the flags in your face and shout obscenities at you?" The closest s/he came to an answer was this weak, lame, watered down meaningless reply:
To your other questions, I’ll try to boil it down, for example: For people of color, groups of white men of waving that flag , armed even, is frightening. Period. For other groups too I bet. Also, like the other gentleman pointed out, the honking is too much.In other words, there are no injured parties, and the VaFlaggers do not shake flags at people and shout obscenities. THAT is the job of Goad Gatsby's boom box, as noted here:
As for the Gauntlet of Hate....clogging sidewalk (smirk).
Don't look very hateful to me...
And as for the honking....
Why does Hall seek the approval of people who hate and despise Southerners, even those who aid and assist them in their never ending war against the South?
ReplyDeleteI think those "floggers", as you put it, are trying to put their feelings onto others. Just because they are "afraid" of people practicing their rights doesn't mean the other people who live in that area are. They seem to always complain about the honking, which is funny, because that proves that people are supporting them. As for the "people shouting obscenities at them as they drive by", I surmise he might be talking about himself lol
ReplyDeleteMr. Owen -- because he's a scalawag?
ReplyDeleteMr. Smith, the floggers are virtuoso projectionists; and yes, the problem with the honking is that the growing-by-leaps-and-bounds support for theVaFlaggers enrage the floggers to no end.
And I don't believe for a minute that "A Neighbor" is somebody who lives near the VMFA... more like lives in the desert ... or ... some place like that.
Simpson's on another filth trip, trashing the leader of the VaFlaggers. What a scumbag he is, putting his nasty, toxic spin on anything the VaFlaggers do or say, when he knows full well his interpretation is not merely inaccurate, but a blatant lie. Where do you suppose his hatred for the VaFlaggers, especially their founder, comes from? She's never done anything to him.
ReplyDeleteI think Simpson and his crew engage in these attacks because it is the easy thing to do. If they try and discuss the actual facts of the war they get their butts kicked. The only thing they have to fall back on, as Baker has done the last few days, is scream content and context. They cannot bring any real facts to the table.
DeleteAlso consider this, if the flaggin' wasn't working, then their would be no need to give the group a moments thought.
I notice they never argue with sources. Just dismiss them as insufficient in quantity or quality, taken out of context, misquoted, misinterpreted or lies ex post facto. They'll tell you to read a book, then hypocritically dismiss the book you recommend, because it's a single point source. Demanding sources and facts, then rejecting them, is a classic Leftist tactic of distraction. Makes you forget they didn't have a point, or a valid argument to begin with. But like all Leftist tactics, it relies on the assumed stupidity of their opponents, and their own assumed intellectual superiority. Or; "B.S. baffles brains."
DeleteExactly. On Cold Southern Steel, I have been posting the Union communication, from the ORs, dealing with the Fort Sumter incident. My last post of communication proved that Lincoln's administration lied about sending troops to re-enforce Sumter. Even though both Anderson and the Confederate authorities say Lincoln is lying , Rob Baker tells me I need to put this in context and the proper content. What??? These communications are from the ORs in order word for word and this historically challenged high school scab on education wants to tell me what I need to do!!! get real. I say he needs to shut his face, drop his agenda and learn a fact or two.
DeleteI've read them on your site, BTW. But it comes down to a simple matter of either they told the truth, or they didn't. Either they meant what they said, or they didn't. Fort Sumter is the only context. The same goes for any other folks' reports, dairies, letters, etc. Demanding you place things in context is just another doge. It's a tacit admission of having no counter argument. In their minds, it's better than remaining silent.
DeleteAgain I agree. My purpose for posting the OR entries is
Delete1. To prove the war was not about slavery. Slavery is not mentioned at all .
2. To prove the arguments we hear most are lies, Anderson and his men were starving, there was no peace agreement, Lincoln sent only a supply fleet.
To date I believe I have provided proof beyond a shadow of doubt. Up coming will be the Confederate side of the incident. It will be shorter and very interesting.
George
Well, you know as well as I, that and act of war doesn't require that shots be fired. But if that's what they want, how about that private little army the North funded and sent to wage a private, illegal and by Constitutional definition, treasonable war against the territorial government of Kansas, and the duly elected, legal government of Missouri? Plenty of "first shots" were fired then. How about John Brown's attempt to overthrow the governments of the Commonwealth of Virginia and the United States? He fired plenty of first shots, too. He certainly did in Missouri. Bring this up, and get a storm of obfuscation, denials, justifications and excuses.
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