So anyway, at one point, a teenaged boy went to visit the grave of Traveler at the chapel, and was stopped by a (campus) police officer, who said he could not visit the site with his Confederate flag, and with items that had the image of the battle flag on them, a badge and his T-shirt. He had to turn his T-shirt inside out.
The incident was reported in several FB groups, and here:
Now, a frenzied floggasm is underway at Civil War Memory over the incident Levin believes is a fabrication, a conflict "staged" by the Virginia Flaggers to "garner sympathy for their cause." He concludes, "We’ve been here before, but this little fabrication takes the cake."
He made other comments, and I'd like to post a few here, along with my responses.
"I’m not entirely certain," he sez, "that the 'recollections' of the 15 year old are honest either." Well, I am entirely certain that a lot of flogger statements aren't honest.
"I make no claim to knowing who this is, but I do find it curious that this story contains not a single name for verification." Maybe it depends on where you read it. Maybe the, um, I dunno, police report names names. Maybe the young man's verbal report, made to people other than Levin, contains names. Remember, floggers, just because you don't know about it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
"Surely this child was not walking alone through campus." Why not? But it's possible someone was with him. It just doesn't say.
And, "The story was most likely fabricated." In your imagination it's fabricated because you want it to be. You want to believe bad things about the VaFlaggers, and to influence others to do the same.
"It is interesting how often minors are the centers of these stories." How often are minors the centers of "these stories"? How about identifying "these stories" and then identifying the minors? Cuz if you don't supply this information, you're doing exactly what you're complaining about here, which renders your complaints null and void.
"Again, no names are mentioned in the FB posts so there is no way to corroborate the story." It's entirely possible that the names are mentioned somewhere, and the story has been and is continuing to be corroborated, for those who need that information. Have you ever considered, Levin, that maybe nobody cares whether you have the info necessary to corroborate something or not?
It's quite possible that nobody cares what you believe or don't believe about Southern heritage, the SCV, the VaFlaggeres. You've already established, over several years, that you can't stand the Virginia Flaggers, you hate everything they do, and you're going to do your dead-level best to bring trouble their way, including falsely painting them in the worse possible light.
"There is still not one piece of evidence to support these allegations." Still, huh, after all this time -- two whole flippin' days.
Obviously, Mr. Levin thinks "evidence" just magically appears, and no time is required to gather it. We will see where he has exhibited his misconception about magic evidence before, later in this post.
But first, it's not just Levin's comments I want to address. One of his minions posts this:
M.E. Martin July 28, 2014 at 10:06 amWell, Mr. Martin, Tripp and Susan spread no police reports, fake or otherwise. If it was all over the internet, as you claim, you should be able to provide a link to the fake police report and substantiate your statement. But they didn't so you can't. In that case, it's not a good idea to go around making false claims.
Remember when Susan Hathaway and Tripp Lewis were caught spreading what turned out to be a fake police report about vandalism on Monument Ave. all over the internet? Even if VaFlaggers didn’t manufacture this and learned it was another “Southron” supporter, they would never admit the mistake. The apparently fake story makes great propaganda to whip up their peeps.
They would never admit their mistake, huh? Maybe you should retract that statement, too.
On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Susan issued this public statement on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/susan.f.hathaway.7/posts/10151658650249274
I dunno, Mr. Martin ... that sounds like admitting a mistake to me, and not only that, but an apology to those who were affected by the mistake. A classy person made that statement, someone showing a lot more class than you.
See, here's what happened. Four days earlier, on Friday, May 10, 2013, Susan had posted online an account of the vandalism incident as told to her by Rob Walker. The next day, Saturday, May 11, the Flaggers received an email from some Navy personnel who had seen the account, and disputed what Rob had claimed about his USS Cole service.
What transpired between receiving that email from the Navy personnel and issuing the Tuesday statement is chronicled in this timeline: http://conniechastain.com/backsass/timelinepage.html
(Note, some of the communication about the incident occurred by phone and some by email, but much of it occurred by phone text messages between Susan, Tripp and Walker. I received images of the phone messages, with time stamps, which made it possible to compile the timeline.)
You will note that in those four days, while Susan was attending her son's graduation, Mother's Day activities with her family, and while she and Tripp were contacting and communicating with Rob Walker about his failure to get a police report, Kevin Levin and Brooks Simpson posted about the incident eleven freaking times.
ELEVEN FREAKING TIMES. In FOUR DAYS.
Eleven harassing, bulling posts in four freaking days. You can read 'em at these links:
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One of the similarities in the flogger reaction to these incidents is the sheer impatience these supposedly grown men exhibit. Their patience isn't as long as their pe-- pe-- pinky. The very DAY AFTER Susan's Rob Walker account appeared, when it was determined that no police report had been filed, one super-bully post claimed Susan was "still silent." One flippin' day.
She issued a statement three days later, and Simpson says "better late than never." Three days is late?
You can read my blistering coverage of the floggosphere's shameful harassment of Susan and the VaFlaggers over this incident here: http://mybacksass.blogspot.com/2013_05_01_archive.html
Do you begin to see the pattern of lying and harassment?
Kevin Levin has also said he believed the VaFlaggers staged the theft of Grayson Jennings' excavator from the Chester flag site: http://cwmemory.com/2013/11/05/virginia-flagger-antics-part-lost-track/
Of course, the law enforcement agency that found the excavator knew who actually stole it, after their investigation found it, and returned it. But Levin doesn't know that, and floggers think if they don't know about it, it hasn't happened.
Simpson also falsely implied that Grayson cut down trees on the state right-of-way at the Chester flag site. http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/
Resolution of that issue didn't involve the VaFlaggers at all. Don't know if Simpson's Virginia moles either didn't know about it, chose not to tell him, or did tell him and he's playin' dumb.
In any case, what all this shows is that the floggers hate and despise Southern heritage, especially the SCV and most especially the Virginia Flaggers. Hate them so much, they're willing to forego even the most rudimentary adult analysis of these incidents, and eager to jump to negative conclusions based on faulty and incomplete information -- or sheer delusion, when necessary. And then spread it all around to their minions and lurkers.
It's just what they do.